AnarchyInTheUK
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The most dangerous thing in this world is a fool with a cause. Especially if that fool is rich.
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Post by AnarchyInTheUK on Mar 3, 2016 3:16:29 GMT
I never looked too much into it but after doing so for about 4 or 5 hours yesterday I'm convinced there's something amiss
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Post by somethingimpromptu on Mar 3, 2016 22:40:54 GMT
I never looked too much into it but after doing so for about 4 or 5 hours yesterday I'm convinced there's something amiss Yeah, the official version very, very clearly doesn't even begin to fit the evidence (or even attempt to address many important aspects). David Chandler has done lots of great work debunking the NIST report and explaining why the physics of the collapses can't be explained by the government story. Several high-profile whistleblowers have also proven that there was tons of forewarning, which demonstrates that they were lying through their teeth in the days after 9/11. I mean, Rice and Bush (I believe it was Bush-- might have been Rumsfeld) even both said that no one in their administration ever could have predicted that terrorists would fly planes into buildings, even though they had been running war game simulations of exactly these kinds of hijack scenarios. Rumsfeld even had his staffers reading Roberta Wohlstetter's Pearl Harbor: Warning and Decision, which is about Pearl Harbor, a scenario in which planes were used as kamikazes, flown into targets in an attack on America. Interesting side-note-- Richard Perle, the self-described "Prince of Darkness," apparently dated Wohlstetter's daughter as a teenager. Haha. But anyway, the think-tank Project For a New American Century, of which Rumsfeld, Cheney, Perle, Zakheim, and about 6 other top Bush officials were members, had discussed a "new Pearl Harbor" in the late 90s-- so it is very blatant that they were lying, even about very simple subjects, like whether it might have been conceivable that this kind of attack could have happened. But the big problem is, once you get past debunking the official story, and into what actually happened, there's divergence, misinformation (much of which is just loony theories, but I don't doubt that some is purposeful disinformation). If you want to get a good feel for the reality of the situation, here are a very few very good resources: 1) Hypothesis: This is an excellent short documentary about Steven Jones, and, to a lesser degree, Jeff Farrer. They were the scientists who first discovered the evidence of nanothermite in the dust from the buildings (the strongest evidence that some domestic group with resources far beyond those of al Qaeda were behind the attacks). It's great, because it's not political at all. I mean, Jones was a Republican before he discovered this, and he lost his job for researching it, and was mocked in the mainstream media-- so he certainly had no ulterior motive. Also, here's an extended interview with Jeff Farrer. He goes further into the science they did, and his reaction to it (the film that's from, Explosive Evidence: Experts Speak Out, also includes Jones, and many other experts, and is a good resource itself).
2) 9/11 Conspiracy Solved: I would encourage you not to take for granted that everything in this is true-- fact check for yourself. But I've found that everything I checked up on is accurate, and this is the most well-researching over-arching theory about who the major suspects are (many of them are borrowed from Another Nineteen: Investigating Legitimate 9/11 Suspects by Kevin Ryan), how they are connected through various institutions, and what some of the bigger-picture motives are. He also does a good job separating the more speculative points from the more concrete facts.
3) Extreme Prejudice, Susan Lindauer: This falls under the foreknowledge whistleblowers I mentioned at the top, but it's a pretty riveting case, and Susan Lindauer, a former CIA asset, gives an inside perspective in vivid detail, provides interesting insights, and explains her experience being prosecuted under the Patriot Act for her whistleblowing. If you're curious about whistleblowers, I also encourage you to check out Richard Andrew Grove (whose role is explained near the beginning of 9/11 Conspiracy Solved) and Sibel Edmonds (a former FBI translator who founded the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition). Grove's testimony is particularly interesting, as he seems to have nearly been murdered on 9/11, but watch the Conspiracy Solved video for detail. Lindauer, Edmonds, and Grove are all very serious, stable-seeming people with interesting perspectives.
Just, please, pay no attention to any source that talks about: the theory that there were no planes, directed energy beam weapons, 9/11 being a Jewish conspiracy (Israel was one of the parties that warned us, so while reports of possible Mossad agents on the scene may be credible, it is not because they were the ones orchestrating this event)... There's lots of crazy bullshit out there about 9/11. Just question everything, double-check sources, judge witnesses credibility for yourself, and, most importantly, place scientific evidence above everything else. Like most topics of this nature, it takes a real research project to get to the bottom of it, but I think that I've come to a fairly good understanding of what happened (in as much as one person can from open source research, without subpoena power). Private message me if you want any more links or to discuss.
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Post by LGBT Anarchist on Mar 4, 2016 1:44:46 GMT
I never looked too much into it but after doing so for about 4 or 5 hours yesterday I'm convinced there's something amiss Yeah, the official version very, very clearly doesn't even begin to fit the evidence (or even attempt to address many important aspects). David Chandler has done lots of great work debunking the NIST report and explaining why the physics of the collapses can't be explained by the government story. Several high-profile whistleblowers have also proven that there was tons of forewarning, which demonstrates that they were lying through their teeth in the days after 9/11. I mean, Rice and Bush (I believe it was Bush-- might have been Rumsfeld) even both said that no one in their administration ever could have predicted that terrorists would fly planes into buildings, even though they had been running war game simulations of exactly these kinds of hijack scenarios. Rumsfeld even had his staffers reading Roberta Wohlstetter's Pearl Harbor: Warning and Decision, which is about Pearl Harbor, a scenario in which planes were used as kamikazes, flown into targets in an attack on America. Interesting side-note-- Richard Perle, the self-described "Prince of Darkness," apparently dated Wohlstetter's daughter as a teenager. Haha. But anyway, the think-tank Project For a New American Century, of which Rumsfeld, Cheney, Perle, Zakheim, and about 6 other top Bush officials were members, had discussed a "new Pearl Harbor" in the late 90s-- so it is very blatant that they were lying, even about very simple subjects, like whether it might have been conceivable that this kind of attack could have happened. But the big problem is, once you get past debunking the official story, and into what actually happened, there's divergence, misinformation (much of which is just loony theories, but I don't doubt that some is purposeful disinformation). If you want to get a good feel for the reality of the situation, here are a very few very good resources: 1) Hypothesis: This is an excellent short documentary about Steven Jones, and, to a lesser degree, Jeff Farrer. They were the scientists who first discovered the evidence of nanothermite in the dust from the buildings (the strongest evidence that some domestic group with resources far beyond those of al Qaeda were behind the attacks). It's great, because it's not political at all. I mean, Jones was a Republican before he discovered this, and he lost his job for researching it, and was mocked in the mainstream media-- so he certainly had no ulterior motive. Also, here's an extended interview with Jeff Farrer. He goes further into the science they did, and his reaction to it (the film that's from, Explosive Evidence: Experts Speak Out, also includes Jones, and many other experts, and is a good resource itself).
2) 9/11 Conspiracy Solved: I would encourage you not to take for granted that everything in this is true-- fact check for yourself. But I've found that everything I checked up on is accurate, and this is the most well-researching over-arching theory about who the major suspects are (many of them are borrowed from Another Nineteen: Investigating Legitimate 9/11 Suspects by Kevin Ryan), how they are connected through various institutions, and what some of the bigger-picture motives are. He also does a good job separating the more speculative points from the more concrete facts.
3) Extreme Prejudice, Susan Lindauer: This falls under the foreknowledge whistleblowers I mentioned at the top, but it's a pretty riveting case, and Susan Lindauer, a former CIA asset, gives an inside perspective in vivid detail, provides interesting insights, and explains her experience being prosecuted under the Patriot Act for her whistleblowing. If you're curious about whistleblowers, I also encourage you to check out Richard Andrew Grove (whose role is explained near the beginning of 9/11 Conspiracy Solved) and Sibel Edmonds (a former FBI translator who founded the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition). Grove's testimony is particularly interesting, as he seems to have nearly been murdered on 9/11, but watch the Conspiracy Solved video for detail. Lindauer, Edmonds, and Grove are all very serious, stable-seeming people with interesting perspectives.
Just, please, pay no attention to any source that talks about: the theory that there were no planes, directed energy beam weapons, 9/11 being a Jewish conspiracy (Israel was one of the parties that warned us, so while reports of possible Mossad agents on the scene may be credible, it is not because they were the ones orchestrating this event)... There's lots of crazy bullshit out there about 9/11. Just question everything, double-check sources, judge witnesses credibility for yourself, and, most importantly, place scientific evidence above everything else. Like most topics of this nature, it takes a real research project to get to the bottom of it, but I think that I've come to a fairly good understanding of what happened (in as much as one person can from open source research, without subpoena power). Private message me if you want any more links or to discuss.The whole hologram thing is based around this one clip of footage where the plane's wing dips behind a background building. I straight up debunked that footage so that theory is bullshit too.
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