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Post by leftcom_bassist on May 2, 2016 11:54:45 GMT
I feel pretty embarrassed to ask this question considering that i've been an ancom for a few months now and i should know this but i was discussing this with a friend and i found myself unable to answer. So what is the incentive to work in anarcho-communism? is it that you as a worker reap the fruits of your labour or something else? I thought it'd be best to just admit i don't know and ask rather than not know.
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Post by Giga on May 2, 2016 14:56:27 GMT
Ideas on this topic usually vary from individual to individual, but the prevailing theory usually tends to be the philosophy of "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need". In essence this means (at least from an anarchist interpretation) that an individual is welcome to participate in a community (commune, collective, union, canton, whatever your preferred term) so long as they help provide for the community to the maximum of their ability, and they will in turn be provided with whatever they may need. What you mentioned, a person reaping the fruits of their own labor, is more along the lines of the mutualist interpretation. Personally, I sit somewhere between these two camps. I think an individual should provide for the others of their community whom are helping to provide for them, but they should also be rewarded in some way for willingly doing so.
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Post by leftcom_bassist on May 3, 2016 12:29:31 GMT
so essentially if you don't work then you can't join a commune?
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Post by Scandinavianpartisan on May 3, 2016 13:51:59 GMT
so essentially if you don't work then you can't join a commune? actually it's more along the lines of, if you don't do anything you don't eat. |
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Post by anpacklaus on May 3, 2016 23:14:31 GMT
so essentially if you don't work then you can't join a commune? In Communism, everyone receives collective benefits, whether they work or not. In Syndicalism, if you are not in a commune, you do not receive benefits. I'm personally a syndicalist because it keeps the incentive to work, however, I think that if we switch to any leftist economy, a lot more people will love to work, and want to work. So in small communities I believe anarcho-communism will work. |
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Post by leftcom_bassist on May 4, 2016 0:34:02 GMT
so essentially if you don't work then you can't join a commune? In Communism, everyone receives collective benefits, whether they work or not. In Syndicalism, if you are not in a commune, you do not receive benefits. I'm personally a syndicalist because it keeps the incentive to work, however, I think that if we switch to any leftist economy, a lot more people will love to work, and want to work. So in small communities I believe anarcho-communism will work. Especially considering that working conditions would be greatly increased, working hours would be lowered and worker self-management would be implemented. Why do you think it can only work in small communities? |
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Post by leftcom_bassist on May 4, 2016 0:36:58 GMT
so essentially if you don't work then you can't join a commune? actually it's more along the lines of, if you don't do anything you don't eat. If it isn't communism, yes. |
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Post by Giga on May 4, 2016 2:28:37 GMT
actually it's more along the lines of, if you don't do anything you don't eat. If it isn't communism, yes. There are many interpretations of "communism" so this statement is rather false. And even if it isn't "communist" (I use quotes because frankly I find using the term communism in an anarchist context to be counterintuitive), anarchism isn't all about communism. Technically speaking, in a libertarian system, an individual is free to participate in a collective, so long as the members of the collective are willing to accept them, this is evidenced by the LSA here. If you don't contribute to the collective to the best of your ability, then they aren't required to continue providing for you, and can decide, as a group, to eject you or stop providing you with their services. |
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Post by leftcom_bassist on May 4, 2016 7:03:07 GMT
If it isn't communism, yes. There are many interpretations of "communism" so this statement is rather false. And even if it isn't "communist" (I use quotes because frankly I find using the term communism in an anarchist context to be counterintuitive), anarchism isn't all about communism. Technically speaking, in a libertarian system, an individual is free to participate in a collective, so long as the members of the collective are willing to accept them, this is evidenced by the LSA here. If you don't contribute to the collective to the best of your ability, then they aren't required to continue providing for you, and can decide, as a group, to eject you or stop providing you with their services. you're right, i should have referred to anarcho-communism specifically. |
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Post by anpacklaus on May 6, 2016 16:01:50 GMT
Well, the entire organization of anarcho-syndicalist society is in population. In Spain, they had collectives of some thousand people, whom took care of a certain field of industry. When skilled work is organized like this, there's incentive to innovate, because the creative process isn't waged. However, a lot of people will say that unskilled work needs to be incentivized. Which, I personally agree with. Nobody finds it fun to build roads and dig ditches. In this case, the work is distributed equally among a collective, or a number of collectives. This unskilled work is then rewarded.
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Post by Giga on May 6, 2016 23:53:12 GMT
Well, the entire organization of anarcho-syndicalist society is in population. In Spain, they had collectives of some thousand people, whom took care of a certain field of industry. When skilled work is organized like this, there's incentive to innovate, because the creative process isn't waged. However, a lot of people will say that unskilled work needs to be incentivized. Which, I personally agree with. Nobody finds it fun to build roads and dig ditches. In this case, the work is distributed equally among a collective, or a number of collectives. This unskilled work is then rewarded. 100% agree with this. Though I do still believe that if an individual is unwilling (note the difference between unable and unwilling) to work, then the collective is within their power to expel that person from their ranks. |
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Post by anpacklaus on May 10, 2016 16:08:07 GMT
Well, the entire organization of anarcho-syndicalist society is in population. In Spain, they had collectives of some thousand people, whom took care of a certain field of industry. When skilled work is organized like this, there's incentive to innovate, because the creative process isn't waged. However, a lot of people will say that unskilled work needs to be incentivized. Which, I personally agree with. Nobody finds it fun to build roads and dig ditches. In this case, the work is distributed equally among a collective, or a number of collectives. This unskilled work is then rewarded. 100% agree with this. Though I do still believe that if an individual is unwilling (note the difference between unable and unwilling) to work, then the collective is within their power to expel that person from their ranks. Then you may be a mutualist. |
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Post by Giga on May 10, 2016 16:28:16 GMT
100% agree with this. Though I do still believe that if an individual is unwilling (note the difference between unable and unwilling) to work, then the collective is within their power to expel that person from their ranks. Then you may be a mutualist. I'm far from a mutualist, friend. I just think people performing labor for little to no direct compensation is tantamount to slavery. Hell, even Bakunin supported labor notes. |
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